Curse

A11Eur0 · Nov 29, 2007, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

And its this whole whateverthehellyouwantway comes from IWAY

And IWAY is nothing but an acronym for the skill common in that build: I Will Avenge You!. It's stupid to apply the "way" suffix to everything else that uses alot of one thing to accomplish a goal. It's lazy, it's childish, and it's annoying the hell out of me.

And I've never been in the situation where an UB player ragequit because others didn't use it, never been refused from a PuG for ANYTHING because I didnt want to run it, and I probably PuG more than most people on this forum...so I have no idea what you're talking about in that respect.

upier · Nov 29, 2007, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by Vinraith

I'll never understand the appeal of any of the animal blessings

Dude!
You like ... morph into a bear! Or a raven and you can fly!11 Or a wolf!11
RAWR!11
DUDE!111!11!!!1!!

Ohh, wait ....

Seriously - did they ever give a reason why the characters don't morph (as in change their appearance)?

trobinson97 · Nov 29, 2007, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

If i want to H/H i might as well play a single player game. GW is totally boring when not playing with at least 1 other player. I dont want UB removed all i want is for Anet to enforce some sort of balanced groups while still keeping UB alive. Its not fun being rejected by each group just because you are not playing UB. And maybe you have a small group of friends you can always play with. Other people are not as fortunate as you but still want to be able to play in groups without UB. And witht eh current trend of pugs this aint happening.
And i never completed DoA or joined in that Cookie-Cutter fest that was going on down there pre-UB.

It's really not hard at all to find someone who is willing to play your style. They are all over this and GWO's forum first off. If you don't want to go that route, there's always meeting people in game. I know for a fact not everyone is running UB. I know for a fact there are a lot of people playing GW who enjoy playing balanced builds.

Your suggestion for Anet forcing limits on how many people can play UB in a group is severely flawed. Say, Anet limits it to two UB per group. What does this mean? It means that 6 other people (who might have wanted to use UB) now can't. So basically, I am being dictated to on how to play the game, not only by Anet, but by whoever puts UB on their skill bar first.

Then, where would it end. You'd have to basically do the same thing for a lot more skills. No more than two eles using fire magic, no more than two barrage rangers in a group, no more than two players with protective spirit on their bar (god I hope it's the monks who have it). Surely you see where this is going.

Also, maybe everyone doesn't want to play a balanced group. Maybe I like playing three paragons, or three barragers, why should Anet determine how I set up my group huh? Look at it this way, right now, you have a choice to play however you want, with whomever you want. No one can force you to do anything, isn't that better than not having a say so in the matter?

I D E L E T E D I · Nov 29, 2007, 08:20 PM // 20:20

I am amazed how much believe in this community to adjust itsself. And yet lets look at the PvP side of the game. Do people ever adjust their builds? In HA people were abusing Soul Reaping over and over and over again. Now that its dead where did we end up in. Back to the old IWAY/Zergway. The community will never balance itself out unless Anet help them out.
And i will still keep on playing the game. I have my very small groups of friends who i can still play with non-UB. Its just sad that we cant pug anymore and teach these less skilled People( and i dont mean that as an insult) the way of balanced play.

IslandHermet · Nov 29, 2007, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

If i want to H/H i might as well play a single player game. GW is totally boring when not playing with at least 1 other player. I dont want UB removed all i want is for Anet to enforce some sort of balanced groups while still keeping UB alive. Its not fun being rejected by each group just because you are not playing UB. And maybe you have a small group of friends you can always play with. Other people are not as fortunate as you but still want to be able to play in groups without UB. And witht eh current trend of pugs this aint happening.
And i never completed DoA or joined in that Cookie-Cutter fest that was going on down there pre-UB.

Here is a great Idea and I have found it very helpful.
If you dont want to run UB than LEAD THE GROUP START YOUR OWN, DUH I mean good god man THINK if you see pugs all over doing UB way but you still try to joing them??????? and refuse to go UB way. WHY is this??? You know that PuG is a UB pug, START YOUR OWN PUG its a simple solution.
Maybe just maybe you are still a little scared of putting your self up as a team leader. Don't be
Thats the problem with the Pug groups no one wants to take charge. And if you dont want to take charge and make your own groups than quit QQing about it and do as the team leader tells you or leave the group. Again a very simple solution.

2 kinds of players in GW
those that lead the sheep
and those that are the sheep

I can tell you that leading the sheep is way more rewarding that being a sheep.

Kusandaa · Nov 29, 2007, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by upier

Dude!
You like ... morph into a bear! Or a raven and you can fly!11 Or a wolf!11
RAWR!11
DUDE!111!11!!!1!!

Ohh, wait ....

Seriously - did they ever give a reason why the characters don't morph (as in change their appearance)?

We're not Norns, we can't morph; thus the "blessing" calling.

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

Here is a great Idea and I have found it very helpful.
If you dont want to run UB than LEAD THE GROUP START YOUR OWN, DUH I mean good god man THINK if you see pugs all over doing UB way but you still try to joing them??????? and refuse to go UB way. WHY is this??? You know that PuG is a UB pug, START YOUR OWN PUG its a simple solution.
Maybe just maybe you are still a little scared of putting your self up as a team leader. Don't be
Thats the problem with the Pug groups no one wants to take charge. And if you dont want to take charge and make your own groups than quit QQing about it and do as the team leader tells you or leave the group. Again a very simple solution.

2 kinds of players in GW
those that lead the sheep
and those that are the sheep

I can tell you that leading the sheep is way more rewarding that being a sheep.

I really, really agree with you on this. Lead your own groups. I got tired of PUGging as someone who joined groups (aside from when I want to see how far a group will go for the heck of it, ie. FoW runs) because PUGs try to restrict the holy trinity, which isn't the only way to clear something.

And it works, trust me. Became a better player for it since it gave me chances to learn about different builds, and the good in all professions.

upier · Nov 29, 2007, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by Kusandaa

We're not Norns, we can't morph; thus the "blessing" calling.

Ahhh - so it's the grand Lore reason again.
Gotta love those.

A11Eur0 · Nov 29, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by upier

Dude!
You like ... morph into a bear! Or a raven and you can fly!11 Or a wolf!11
RAWR!11
DUDE!111!11!!!1!!

Ohh, wait ....

Seriously - did they ever give a reason why the characters don't morph (as in change their appearance)?

Because it's a Blessing, not a form. Ursan blessing != bear form.

And kamikaze chicken...not everyone can vanquish an area with 60dp. In fact, noone can. Hard mode boots the team if everyone on it has 60dp.

I'm going to offer my own opinion on the ease of vanquishing: consumables. Why are you hating on UB when you have a slew of consumables available to everyone rather cheap that pretty much make it god mode? Armor of salvation...armor boost, critical hit immunity, and -5 damage reduction to everyone for a half hour. Essence of celerity = 25% move speed, skill cast and recharge buff. Grail of might = +100hp, +10 energy, +1 to atts. Powerstone of courage = erases all dp and gives +10 morale boost. Plus stacking with individual consumables like candy corn, candy apple, pumpkin pie...then the overpowered PvE skills (not UB) and you have in essence God Mode in HM. Vanquish any area in Shiverpeaks in 15 minutes ft...l?

I D E L E T E D I · Nov 29, 2007, 08:28 PM // 20:28

I know People should get a choice in how they play and i dont mind if people choose to play 6 UB. But its never been a flaw in the skill itself its the communities fault for totally abusing it and making it the only viable build these days. Since UB it has become so much harder to find balanced groups. I know they still exist but after accepting a random person for the xth time only for him to ask UB? You start to loose faith and just stop accepting people.
And i do start my own groups generally. But have u ever stood in ToA and wanted to start a balanced PuG for UW? i bet you havent cos the only people who join you are people who are totally new and dont even know what balanced means and that doesnt bother me in any way cos i can acctually teach someone something. It takes way to long to set up a UW balanced PuG that it doesnt even become fun anymore spamming the same thing over for 4 hours straight just to tell your other 3 members sorry guys aint happening.

IslandHermet · Nov 29, 2007, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

I am amazed how much believe in this community to adjust itsself. And yet lets look at the PvP side of the game. Do people ever adjust their builds? In HA people were abusing Soul Reaping over and over and over again. Now that its dead where did we end up in. Back to the old IWAY/Zergway. The community will never balance itself out unless Anet help them out.
And i will still keep on playing the game. I have my very small groups of friends who i can still play with non-UB. Its just sad that we cant pug anymore and teach these less skilled People( and i dont mean that as an insult) the way of balanced play.

LOL MAKE YOUR OWN PUG and give up the Y wont other pugs that are spamming (GFL Ursan for (insert Whaterver they are doing)) take me I am only refusing to run UB why wont they take me /cry /cry /cry.

Im going to bold this and Underline just so you can READ IT.

If you do not like the PuG teams that are being spammed in town then make your own PuG team spamming GLF x/x/x/x/x/x/x/x for balanced group.

Fried Tech · Nov 29, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

I know People should get a choice in how they play and i dont mind if people choose to play 6 UB. But its never been a flaw in the skill itself its the communities fault for totally abusing it and making it the only viable build these days. Since UB it has become so much harder to find balanced groups. I know they still exist but after accepting a random person for the xth time only for him to ask UB? You start to loose faith and just stop accepting people.
And i do start my own groups generally. But have u ever stood in ToA and wanted to start a balanced PuG for UW? i bet you havent cos the only people who join you are people who are totally new and dont even know what balanced means and that doesnt bother me in any way cos i can acctually teach someone something. It takes way to long to set up a UW balanced PuG that it doesnt even become fun anymore spamming the same thing over for 4 hours straight just to tell your other 3 members sorry guys aint happening.

My final advice to you, and anyone else on the I HATE URSAN bandwagon.

When you are having trouble finding a PUG without ursan..........use ursan.
It will not become perminately glued to your skill bar. You can take it off at anytime you like.
I mean really, do you refuse to use any of the other skills on your skill list if a group is asking for that build? didnt think so.
To all, GLHF

I D E L E T E D I · Nov 29, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

Let me bold this and underscore it for you
Most people are not interested in playing balanced because there is a cheap way out there called Ursan Blessing
If you can find 8 people to clear UW in half and hour all non UB and all Pugs than kudos to you. You probably got very lucky. But let me tell you this its not the norm anymore. Lastly you dont need to flame me for my views, i can very well read what you wrote.

Kusandaa · Nov 29, 2007, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

Let me bold this and underscore it for you
Most people are not interested in playing balanced because there is a cheap way out there called Ursan Blessing
If you can find 8 people to clear UW in half and hour all non UB and all Pugs than kudos to you. You probably got very lucky. But let me tell you this its not the norm anymore. Lastly you dont need to flame me for my views, i can very well read what you wrote.

Then... run with your alliance. Your friends. Some heroes if you can't fill in some spots. Stop relying on PUGs to get you through stuff, PUGs in general are stupid and yes, they want cookie cutter.

A11Eur0 · Nov 29, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

I can find UW groups that aren't UB. The problem with balanced teams in UW is the fact that it takes so long to clear uw with a balanced team. Every balanced team I've tried it with started dropping people after 2.5 hours. If I tried speeding it up by doing the monument quest from the start, people screwed up and let reapers die. People for the most part don't have 4 straight hours to clear UW anymore.

This isn't about UW though, it's about vanquishing. You can get a balanced team anywhere for vanquishing if you're in an alliance with people who want to.

I D E L E T E D I · Nov 29, 2007, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by Kusandaa

Then... run with your alliance. Your friends. Some heroes if you can't fill in some spots. Stop relying on PUGs to get you through stuff, PUGs in general are stupid and yes, they want cookie cutter.

Most HM guilds i have been in just play lame UB. So i have given up on that. Now friends well i have 2 friends in this game who are still playing. And you will understand that we are not always on at the same time. So lastly that leaves H/H for me which i usually quit after half a vanguish cos its so utterly boring.

IslandHermet · Nov 29, 2007, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

Let me bold this and underscore it for you
Most people are not interested in playing balanced because there is a cheap way out there called Ursan Blessing
If you can find 8 people to clear UW in half and hour all non UB and all Pugs than kudos to you. You probably got very lucky. But let me tell you this its not the norm anymore. Lastly you dont need to flame me for my views, i can very well read what you wrote.

1 final post for your Deleted

This game is called say it with me now (GUILD WARS) what in the world does GUILD MEAN.

Guild
noun
Definition:

1. association of people with similar interests: a club, society, or other organization of people with common interests or goals

2. medieval trade association: an association of merchants or craftspersons in medieval Europe, formed to give help and advice to its members and to make regulations and set standards for a particular trade

Now If you still want to pug that go find a game called PUG WARS
The game is for GUILDS that is why Guild teams are 10000000% better than a PuG group.

Kusandaa · Nov 29, 2007, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

Most HM guilds i have been in just play lame UB. So i have given up on that. Now friends well i have 2 friends in this game who are still playing. And you will understand that we are not always on at the same time. So lastly that leaves H/H for me which i usually quit after half a vanguish cos its so utterly boring.

Yeah, I guess I'm more lucky on this. My alliance, although we're not focused on HM stuff, doesn't rely on UB much. We sometimes have a UB tank, whatever profession it is, and the rest run your average common/uncommon build. We want to go in and clear UW with UB since it seems people want their monument and are already familiar with UW and such - we're not noobs, average player has been playing for 1.5 years already, has beaten 3 campaigns without UB... so we know it's STILL doable. But yeah, people want their monument and want to try the new things. I HIGHLY doubt we'll turn into a UB-only alliance because we enjoy playing regular builds, but you can't blame people for wanting to try new stuff.

My advice is getting a better alliance, specifying you don't feel running UB all the time, and IMHO you'll get one at some point...

I D E L E T E D I · Nov 29, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

1 final post for your Deleted

This game is called say it with me now (GUILD WARS) what in the world does GUILD MEAN.

Guild
noun
Definition:

1. association of people with similar interests: a club, society, or other organization of people with common interests or goals

2. medieval trade association: an association of merchants or craftspersons in medieval Europe, formed to give help and advice to its members and to make regulations and set standards for a particular trade

Now If you still want to pug that go find a game called PUG WARS
The game is for GUILDS that is why Guild teams are 10000000% better than a PuG group.

Here i will quote myself for you incase you couldnt read

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

Most HM guilds i have been in just play lame UB. So i have given up on that. Now friends well i have 2 friends in this game who are still playing. And you will understand that we are not always on at the same time. So lastly that leaves H/H for me which i usually quit after half a vanguish cos its so utterly boring.

I even bolded it in for you since its something you enjoy and i thought i would do you the honor.

Seriously though if you want to flame someone please go somewhere else.

trobinson97 · Nov 29, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

Most HM guilds i have been in just play lame UB. So i have given up on that. Now friends well i have 2 friends in this game who are still playing. And you will understand that we are not always on at the same time. So lastly that leaves H/H for me which i usually quit after half a vanguish cos its so utterly boring.

Try to get in SMS, they don't do the UB. I'd put in a word for you, but that's only lessen your chances of getting in

. Also, when looking for a guild, be sure to ask questions before accepting. All it takes is "When you guys do HM, do you usually run balanced groups or gimmick groups like UB or FA+SY?" If they answer with the latter two, keep looking.

Martin Firestorm · Nov 29, 2007, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by payne

just recently I have been browsing the PUG / grouping forum and seen so many posts with people saying Tyria / Cantha / Elona / FoW / UW / etc. ursan-clearout...wth?

ursan is seriously over-powered and any idiot can use it if they have high enough norn title! just derives the point of HM really? ursan-way does need a nerf and PUGs should go back to just using their skill not the exact same skill bar for the whole team because it cannot be varied...

just annoying really as people get leg.vanquisher yar-de-yar through pure over-powered ursan-way were people like me
.....

thoughts please?

My thought is mind your own business and let ppl play how they want to play. Don't like ursanway, don't use it. A pve only skill needs a nerf? Do you understand why skills get nerfed/buffed? No, of course you don't have any clue at all or you wouldn't have suggested that. Here's your answer: pvp balance. Are you seeing the pointlessness of your suggestion yet?